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		<title>Here is a Nugget</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prop. 8, just won&#8217;t go away. I had to post this quote because I find it funny every time nonreligious people try to speak religious-speak.
&#34;The campaign they funded was one of lies and deceit, clearly in violation of the religious tenet of “thou shalt not lie. ”
Oh yes, the eleventh commandment. Probably related to &#34;thou [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prop. 8, just won&#8217;t go away. I had to post this quote because I find it funny every time nonreligious people try to speak religious-speak.</p>
<blockquote><p><span id="intelliTXT">&quot;The campaign they funded was one of lies and deceit, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">clearly in violation of the religious tenet of “thou shalt not lie.</span> ”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Oh yes, the eleventh commandment. Probably related to &quot;thou shalt not bear false witness.&quot;</p>
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		<title>Fundamental Rights?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>marlan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just can&#8217;t stop reading about the response of the opponents of Prop. 8. And I find a certain amount of amusement with the picketing, white substances, and all the other stunts these opponents are pulling against the Mormons and other religions that supported Proposition 8.
Don&#8217;t these people have jobs?
From the LA Times :
Jim Key, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just can&#8217;t stop reading about the response of the opponents of Prop. 8. And I find a certain amount of amusement with the picketing, white substances, and all the other stunts these opponents are pulling against the Mormons and other religions that supported Proposition 8.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t these people have jobs?</p>
<p>From the <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mormons17-2008nov17,0,3771395.story">LA Times</a> :</p>
<blockquote><p>Jim Key, a spokesman for the L.A. Gay &amp; Lesbian Center, said barbs by gay marriage activists were directed at church leadership, not individual Mormons.</p>
<p>&quot;We&#8217;re making a statement that no one&#8217;s religious beliefs should be used to deny fundamental rights to others,&quot; he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>My response to this comment:</p>
<p>1. Since when is gay marriage a fundamental right? (Which, by the way, is a semantics trick on the part of gay rights advocates to imply that gay marriages is a type of right that gets the highest form of legal scrutiny when faced with a statute that tends to restrain the right&#8211;a compelling state interest. In practice, meeting the compelling state interest standard is nearly impossible.) As of today, gay marriage isn&#8217;t even a right, let alone a fundamental right.</p>
<p>2. What about a person&#8217;s fundamental right to practice their religion (actually, if I remember correctly, free exercise of religion is not a fundamental right any longer thanks the the U.S. Supreme Court)? Where were the &quot;fundamental rights&quot; police when doctors were being threatened with revocation of their licenses because their religious beliefs don&#8217;t accommodate artificial insemination of lesbians?</p>
<p>Those in favor of prop. 8 should counter to stalemate: &quot;We&#8217;re making a statement that no one&#8217;s sexual orientation should be used to deny fundamental rights to others.&quot;</p>
<p>Religious freedom, unlike gay marriage, is actually a right granted to the people in the Bill of Rights. How does gay marriage, which isn&#8217;t a legal right at all, therefore trump free exercise of religion?</p>
<p>3. A person&#8217;s religious beliefs forms part of their value set, which they have every right to voice in a democratic process. Just like the anti-religious values gay rights advocates vote for. What makes their values better than my values? Why should only their values be voiced in the democratic process?</p>
<p>Because gay rights advocates don&#8217;t agree with religion?</p>
<p>This is yet another example of elitism at its finest. The &quot;dumb&quot; people shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to vote (i.e., they shouldn&#8217;t cast a vote reflecting their religious values). Yet again the attitude of &quot;you&#8217;re too stupid to vote&quot; rears its ugly head. Even worse, stupid is defined by whether you agree or disagree with Mr. Key&#8217;s point of view.</p>
<p>I was initially surprised that nobody in the gay community seemed concerned about judges overturning the voice of the people. But as I have watched the campaign unfold, I see now that gay rights activists have no interest in democracy, which is why they continue to protest and act like buffoons.</p>
<p>They are for an autocracy, where they are in charge. It should come as no surprise, therefore, that they are all for court intervention once again, even now that the people have spoken twice.</p>
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		<title>Prop. 8 Aftermath</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>marlan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has been telling to watch the aftermath of the passage of prop. 8 in California. Rather than revel in the democratic process, the prop. 8 opponents are having a cow. Well, not really. They can&#8217;t have progeny, even cows. In the aftermath of prop. 8, gay rights advocates have shown their poker hand when [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been telling to watch the aftermath of the passage of prop. 8 in California. Rather than revel in the democratic process, the prop. 8 opponents are having a cow. Well, not really. They can&#8217;t have progeny, even cows. In the aftermath of prop. 8, gay rights advocates have shown their poker hand when they should have folded and tucked their cards back into the deck to fight again another day.</p>
<p>I mentioned in a previous post that I thought the real motivation of gay-rights was, in part, anti-religion sentiment on the part of gays. It turns out I am correct. Aside from targeting the Mormon temples (which so far as I can tell has produced as collective &quot;ehh!&quot; from the church) and Catholic churches, <a href="http://www.mydesert.com/article/20081110/NEWS01/81110028/-1/rss">this story</a> of an attack of a cross bearing elderly lady in Palm Springs caught my eye.</p>
<blockquote><p>What was planned as a peaceful candlelight service in front of City Hall took a hostile turn when the crowd began pushing and a cross was torn from Burgess’ arms. The cross ended up in pieces on the ground. [After being trampled by angry gay-rights activists)</p></blockquote>
<p>Somebody apparently caught it on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ZvPR09N4Q">video</a> as well, which shows the gay rights advocates a pitchfork and torch away from burning a church down.</p>
<p>After the election, the LA Times produced a <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-me-weho-protest-pg,0,3765861.photogallery?index=20">photo essay</a> of the protest at the Mormon temple in Westwood. Many of the signs in the pictures had some sort of &quot;Hate&quot; (&quot;H8&quot;) message, as if people in favor of prop. 8 hate them. (My favorite: &quot;Mormon Hate Out of My State.&quot;)</p>
<p>The attacks on religion cause me to ask, who is hating whom?</p>
<p>Most of the prop. 8 supporters were very clear to communicate that the issue to them was one of morality and ideology rather than hatred. There<em> is </em> a difference. People can have a set of values, and even disapprove of choices made, and still offer love and support to the same person making the choices. This isn&#8217;t hate &#8212; it is using the democratic process to mold society in an image of what majority considers mainstream and right. This is precisely the reason for having democracy, so that no one person (e.g., a king or judge) or a minority group can dictate to the majority the morals of their society. The majority of Californians decided (twice) that gay marriage should not be recognized. Prop. 8 supporters articulated a number of reasons for their support, most of which focused on the ancillary effects of gay marriage for children and free practice of religion, and none of which that were based on hatred of gays as people.</p>
<p>The only haters in all of this are the gays. They are free to disagree, assemble outside churches and temples (provided they do not interfere with the free exercise of worship), but attacks on religious people and tearing crosses, listing those who donated to prop. 8 and encouraging gay rights supporters to do what is in their power to make life difficult for there donors, <a href="http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/1390297.html">causing people to be fired from their jobs</a>, <a href="http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20081112/NEWS01/811120369">staging loud and obnoxious demonstrations during worship services</a>, and the general vitriol observed in these protests against Mormons (this one is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28UwAyzUkE&amp;feature=related">really classy</a> ), Catholics, and other supporters of prop. 8. This is hatred. Hatred of religion, morality, and more generally the people themselves that share in these values.</p>
<p>Hate? In a prior post I mentioned that I have a gay colleague. Over the last two months, he has gone from friendly to not talking to me. As our path&#8217;s don&#8217;t often cross, I didn&#8217;t read too much into it, even when friendly greetings from me to the gay colleague were ignored as recently as two weeks ago. That is until another Mormon colleague of mine who works more closely with him came into my office yesterday and made the same observation.</p>
<p>Hatred? By who?</p>
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